Most urology departments will be affected one way or another by the ongoing industrial action by our junior colleagues. This article gives an interview between the BMJ team and Jeremy Hunt, UK Secretary of State for Health. We may or may not agree with him, but it is still worthwhile reading to hear his ideas and viewpoints. He will soon become the longest serving health secretary since 1988 and, in the interview, describes the pros and cons of his approach – from emphasis on patient safety to transparency in the NHS. My hope is that wisdom will prevail and a resolution will be found soon.